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PLEASE - also encourage your child to participate in INDIVIDUAL sports - not just "team" sports! Here's why . .

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High school volleyball is now over for my daughter for another year. The team she was “on” actually did very well coming just short of the state championship game.  My daughter shared absolutely NO joy, sadness, excitement  . . . whatever, in the team because her coaches chose that for her by playing her at a level DRAMATICALLY below what she deserved, essentially making her feel as though she was NOT part of the team.  No young athlete feels like their part of the team unless they PLAY in meaningful games – at meaningful times of the game – and no attempts at brainwashing (either the coach trying it on the unfairly benched athlete, or trying it on him/herself)  by stating how much this child “helps the team in practice”  can EVER change that in the mind of a person who’s willing to be intellectually honest with the situation.

The need for a coach to carry more on the team than he or she can play on the field/court creates this situation for the coach that choses NOT to develop fully (meaning in the stressors of REAL games)  ALL of the athletes selected for the team. Not all coaches make this choice to selectively emotionally abuse some players for the true reason of trying to bring glory to THEMSELVES through ,what must be their perception, that only certain, select players give THEM the best chance to win.  But many, many do, and more and more who get involved with youth sports these days join the ranks of the “morally –challenged” coaches we’ve run into in our experience with team sports.  It’s sad and is 100% correlated to the high drop out rate of young people from sports.  They just can’t take the abuse from these adults with misplaced values and I’m more than 100% certain that MOST of that problem could be resolved with something as simple as just a little meaningful playing time.  The benefits are just immeasurable FOR ALL ON THE TEAM except for only the most selfish of players. A player who had never stepped off the court/field and now has to sit for just a little bit has the budding “diva –ism” halted inside of them, and that helps EVERY coach.  If you as the coach, selected  this player to the team, you’ll find playing this non-starter won’t cost you the game . . . you’ll still win it, but now you’ll have another player used to the stressors of real games.  He/she won’t be like a “deer in the head-lights” when you find that you might be forced to play him/her due to an injury or sickness with your formally “anointed” starter. The biggest gain, which I’ve mentioned (it seems like) a million times on the board is that you should be able to sleep just a little better knowing who’ve been part of making a child REALLY feel like they’re part of the team and  that you’re NO LONGER the person responsible for destroying a young person’s spirit and self-esteem.  Those HAVE to be good things . . . .wouldn’t you say,  coaches!?!?! Why does it just seem like I’m the ONLY person in the world who sees it this way!?  It just shouldn’t be like this!

If your child is athletic and has  developing strength in his/her arms and legs I really, really suggest that you get your kid involved in team sports like cross-country, track and field, swimming, tennis (and I know there are more) where you child is performing/competing in a solo role.  They’re still on a team and their performance contributes to the success of that team, but you child is ALL alone on that “field of competition”.  Yes, there are other competitors there, but it’s just your child . . .no team-mates!

Why do I say this?

The essence of team sports where there truly is a “team” out on the field does allow for unethical coaches to approach the game in a way that damages some children, if they’re so pre-disposed, due to the sheer mechanics of a team sport. Let’s take volleyball as an example.  There are six players out on the court at a time.  Each player relies on the other players.  In that regard, volleyball is a GREAT team sport! But the dynamics of the play is that, due to having so many players on the court at one time, a coach can actually play a mediocre or even poor player and the slack will be picked up by the others.  This makes the situation very, very ripe for favoritism and that’s why you’ll see, more and more these days, certain players PLAYING in a game, while another sits, and it just makes NO SENSE at all based upon the talent level being displayed.  If you happen to be able to view PRACTICE and see the talent levels displayed, the shock and dismay can get even WORSE!  A coach who, in volleyball, choses to play six poor players will lose.  And, generally speaking, a coach won’t do that.  A volleyball coach can win with 3-4 good players and 3-2 mediocre /poor players. The essence of the problem is that a coach who’s only going to play, and play for the entire game, the same six players is really announcing to the world that he/she thinks they can ONLY win if these players play ALL the minutes.  And truly, that’s never the case. The coach can sub in the other players and still win because the talent levels are really that close . .which, then of course, BEGS the question . . .”why does THIS player get 99.9% of the playing minutes to this players 00.1% of the playing minutes?”  Seeing talent levels, there’s no earthly explanation the coach can give other than “I just simply chose to play these players.”  Even while everyone knows that the wins-losses WOULD NOT CHANGE . . .God forbid (if you have a benched child on the team) if the coach DOES win, because he/she’s absolutely going to interpret that success totally upon THEIR coaching strategy . . .of which a BIG part is who starts and who plays how much.  They’ll be extremely reluctant to change anything about how they’re coaching.  Remember, these types of folks are coaching for PERSONAL glory, there’s very little going on inside of them about mentoring young people.

Another way of stating that quote I gave above is that a coach can say “I favor THESE players over those players.”  That’s truly what they mean. When EVERYONE watching the team play and practice KNOWS that the talent levels being displayed between starter and benched child are extremely close, then everyone also knows that favoritism is really in action if you have an extreme disparity in playing time. Is this unfair, immoral, unethical? . . . .absolutely!  And more people involved in youth sports should be saying just as much.

The favoritism and immorality reaches astronomic levels when EVERYONE knows that the benched child is actually better – demonstrably so – over the starter and “never-come-out-of-the-gamer” .  You don’t see this too much except in cases where the coach has a child on the team.  I’m NOT making a universal statement that coach’s kids are bad players.  Sometimes they’re very good, even the best on the team, but, if you’re going to see that level of favoritism, generally it’s because the coach is playing his/her kid.  In fact the coach got involved with the team to ensure that talent levels, at least concerning THEIR kid, doesn’t enter into the picture when it comes to “who plays” decisions.

On my daughter’s team every intellectually honest person who saw the players play knew my daughter was as good as the starters, and in a couple of case, better than the starter, and they told me as much.  The coach just made a choice to play other girls and was reasonably successful.  She took her success as a vindication of her playing selections and allowed herself to become frozen in any ability to think about other playing schemes . . .no matter what she saw (and everyone else saw) in practice!!  I can’t say, based upon displayed talents, why my daughter wasn’t the lucky one chosen to play, so all I’m left with is biased favoritism, and while that flaw in a coach’s character is bad enough, when you consider that my daughter wasn’t asking for a total reversal of fortunes (where SHE now played 99.9% of the minutes and the other girl play next to none) but rather was just asking for a little playing time . . . .it makes the coach’s behavior on my daughter’s team all the MORE morally reprehensible.

When a young person is all alone (team-wise) on a track with just seven/eight competitors from other clubs/schools then, in that race, the focus is entirely on them.  It’s them against those other runners from other schools/clubs and the stop watch. If the child runs well, runs fast, then that performance is ENTIRELY their own.  If the child achieves times that show he/she is faster than another runner of the team then NO COACH can take that away from the child.  In track, the slower “heats” in an event like the 100M go first, ultimately culminating in the fastest heat.  A runner who’s running a 15.0 sec 100M CANNOT demand to run in the fastest heat for the school/club . . .because THEIR PERFORMANCE DOES NOT WARRANT THAT KIND OF TREATMENT!! The child can’t demand this because they’re the coach’s kid, or because their parent works for the school, or because, in the off season, he/she runs for that coach’s club team, or because that kid’s parent got him/herself INVOLVED in the track team (maybe offering themselves up to “stretch” the team in pre-meet warm-ups!) or because that runner’s parent’s made a significant financial contribution to the club’s/school’s “facility fund”.  No. . . .if that runner wants to run in the fastest heat over another runner . . . they have only one thing to do. . . . be FASTER than the runner who’s IN that heat.  Oh . . .you can’t be faster?  Then SHUT UP and run in YOUR designated heat!

Yet . . .all the “or because” phrases I just used above are distinct reasons why some volleyball players start and play more than others in clubs and schools I’ve been associated with when those organizations use morally bankrupt people as coaches.  You can consistently show yourself to be an extremely good volleyball player, yet, if hit with some of these forces I just mentioned, combined with a coach of questionable character , you can find yourself on the bench, for no EARTHLY reason, with very little hope that your displayed talent will get you off.  After all, if talent dictated who got to play, you WOULDN’T be on the bench in the first place.

That factors I describe above related to track apply in swimming and cross country and some other sports; and knowing that there are folks like I describe in above that are deeply involved in team sports like volleyball, I CANNOT recommend enough that you get your child involved in sports like track or swimming.  These sports can absolutely salvage your child’s self-esteem when a reprehensible coach ravages it in a sport like volleyball. My daughter knows that in track no coach can just chose to screw her over simply because he/she wants to. . . as a coach can (and has) in volleyball.  Her performance speaks for itself, and NO coach can alter that ! !  So please, while I’m not saying to abandon all team sports like volleyball, because there are some decent people who truly do care about young people who are involved . . . DO get your child involved in these other sports because the types of coaches that my daughter has run into in her experiences with team sports like volleyball, are becoming more and more common these days. Protect your child’s self esteem!


Good point

You make a very valid point, Greg, in recommending individual sports, especially ones, like swimming and track, where the only measure of success is time and favoritism can't play the kind of role it can often play in team sports, where an athlete's ability and hence playing time are much more subjectively judged and hence subject to manipulation and abuse by coaches. I have been following the saga of your daughter's volleyball season and I am sorry that she felt like she wasn't part of the team. Studies continually show that, even at the high school level, most athletes, whether girls or boys, would rather have playing time on a losing team than sit on the bench of a winning team. Our society has become so obsessed with winning and doing whatever is necessary to win that, in the youth sports context, having fun, skill development, and being part of a team all too often take a back seat. MomsTeam's mission has been, from our very start ten years ago, to make youth sports safer, saner, less stressful and more inclusive. But it is a tough battle and we are thankful that parents like you are brave enough to have the courage of their convictions to stand up against less politics and less favoritism, even if you feel like a voice crying in the wilderness. Keep up the fight and thanks.

Thanks, Lindsay . . .but that's what so crazy . . . .

. . .about my daughter's situation. Her team absolutely would have had just the exact same success if my daughter had been allowed to play more. I think she had proved herself worthy to start and play the majority of the points, but even if I concede that to the coach . . .that is her starting selections were appropriate- and to her face I'd do that . . .never in any other conversations because the evidence was plain to all. But even conceding that, there's just NO justification for her playing time allotments even using a "win at all cost" mentality/justification. Increasing my daughter's playing time to 30% -40% of total would have resulted in just the same number of wins as the team achieved.

Do you think the coaches that I've described on the site actually believe that players that they treat like my girl and others actually feel like they're truly on the team? How do you think any rational adult could be so self- delusional? It really perplexes me!

Greg, I've read your

Greg, I've read your rambling posts and quite honestly, I'm sure many of the fans, friends of your daughter and family would rather she play an individual sport. Team sports are set up this way, and coaches coach differently. At the varsity level, you can't have this little league "equal play" mentality. I honestly think this has caused more harm than good for the current generation of athletes. Many 14-15 year olds who've always played in this "equal" play system, get slapped in the face in high school where you play based on talent level, teamwork and contribution to the success of the team.
You may not view it that way, but your daughter was part of this team that just missed the state championship. She got all the medals and was part of the team pictures, just like the starters. 25 years from now, they'll talk about the success of the 2010 volleyball team, not 6-7 individuals. Good luck

Common Sense - maybe it's my "ramblings" . . .

. . .that caused you to miss a couple of very KEY points in many of my posts concerning playing time.

In NO post did I ever advocate in high level Varsity or Club sport that a coach apportion playing time equally. Before I get "rambling" again let me state that clearly, set off, so you can read it and absorb it:

I have NEVER advocated that a coach in a Varsity level or highly competitive club sport dole out meaningful playing time EQUALLY !! Never!

In fact, at this level of play, I firmly believe "better" players should play more than other players.

Did I write that in a "non-rambling" manner enough that you could understand it? I hope so.

I have written what I have written to expose coaches of poor character who will play certain players 99.9% of the minutes-quarters-innings-periods to a benched players 00.01% of the minutes-quarters-innings-periods.

Do you not see that VAST diiference in what you're implying about my writings and what, in fact, I AM writing about?

You are correct that my daughter was part of this near championship team, in that she added her abilities to the team practice and I'd have to agree that that added to the overall success of the team.

However, you cannot be MORE incorrect as to how she, and about two other girls, felt about being "associated" with this team day in and day out. Knowing that NO MATTER WHAT they showed on the court during practice that they would NOT play in meaningful games and that games in front of their friends, families and classmates were NOTHING more than agonizing exercises in public shame and embarrassment. . . .do you really think that they'll ever feel that they were truly part of the team . . . do you really? I can tell you that they didn't and never will. How do I know this? My daughter and these other girls told me so. In one of the playoff weekends up to the state championship weekend my daughter had to be found out in my vehicle weeping hysterically so she could be dragged into the gym to be in the team photo with the district trophy. The resulting picture shows 6-7 beaming girls and 3-4 girls with red, tear-swollen faces. Yes, that's my daughter's memory, but it's a memory consisting of a digital photo that I've already deleted from my email when I asked my girl if she wanted a printed off copy for her memory wall. Her answer to me? "Dad, why would I want that?"

Common Sense - and I'd venture to say that maybe you're a coach guilty of some of these transgressions I've written about - that's REALLY what meaningful playing time means to a kid. (AGAIN - not EQUAL playing time!!!!!) If you can select the kid to your team . .. .you can play him/her. ..some. If you can't figure out a playing scheme to do that . . . .get out of coaching before you drive more kids out of sports and permanently scar them! More and more varsity and club "practice" players are catching on to scam some of you coaches are working to the glory of your "divas" and more and more are going to start walking away. . . and that's REALLY going to ruin the party you all have been throwing for yourselves all these years . . .so just be aware.

Greg, one of my fears of

Greg, one of my fears of responding yesterday came true, another backlash of finger pointing. You’ll just not get it. And no, I’m not a coach, just a guy who played high school and college sports, also a parent whose been around the block a few times and understand what team sports are about. I really feel for your daughter, she’s tuned a wonderful experience into a nightmare and while I agree, a coach should try to get kids in “as much as possible”, you can just flatly say that by playing everyone, their record would be the same. Volleyball is such a game of momentum and camaraderie, one person can make a difference. And I’m certainly not saying that you’re daughter is inferior, but as you explain it, the team can’t help but notice her unhappiness with her situation. And THAT, is the difference.
I certainly hope the best for you and your daughter.

Thanks, Common Sense . . .

 . . . .VERY emotional issue for my family, which, you might guess, I feel very strongly about.  Reading your response, I apologize for finger pointing at you.  I cannot imagine anyone rationalizing the treatment my daughter received at the hands of these coaches, in ANY way.  Never have . . . . .never will and I played JV - Varsity - College athletics as well.  A LONG tradition of irrational abuse of some young people on certain teams doesn't justify - will NEVER justify - the continued practice of it into the future.  It should stop, it NEEDS to stop. I believe there's a possibility of it stopping if parents of benched players - deemed good enough to be selected to the team - pull their children off the teams when meaningful playing time doesn't materialize early in the season.  This practice would severely impact the coach's ( for the coach wired this way) plan to keep the "diva-starters" sharp and at the top of their games if the "practice" players are gone!

I know my fantasy stands little chance of occurring because these types of coaches and clubs prey upon parents and players greatest emotion . . .which is HOPE.  So it appears that there will ALWAYS be families waiting in line to expose their child to this type of abuse because they just cling to that, "Maybe this year, my kid will get to play  some. . . .maybe THIS game, my kid will get to play some!"

And it's just amazing that putting in a kid for 20-30% of the minutes could negate ALL this heat-ache . . . .why is this so hard?

Couple of other points . . . while fresh . . .

I wouldn't say that my daughter turned what you're calling a "wonderful experience" into a "nightmare".  I'm hoping you can see why we'd assign the blame for that to the coaches who decided not to play my girl at a level most who observed agreed that she deserved. I agree it COULD have been a wonderful experience if she had just been allowed to play more.

And, as I've said before, it really speaks to horrific holes in an adult's soul if that adult is going to continue to heap, or maybe increase the heaping, of abuse onto a young person simply because that child isn't jumping up and down with joy as he/she's emotionally being gutted before the whole world through unfair benching.  We don't ask ourselves, or other adults, to just keep smiling as we're continually being emotionally kicked in the groin as we suffer through abuse.  Why, I ask, should we ask (expect) children to do so?

Greg, a couple more points

Greg, a couple more points and I’ll let this ride. You’ve completely put this entire situation on the coach. Look, I don’t know the situation other than what I’ve read and it’s obviously been from your side only. But, do you have any thought or fear that your daughter needs to take ownership of these things moving forward? I mean are you always going to be there to ride in on your white horse and try to fix things? Maybe she sees how upset you are with the situation and THEN it upsets her? Mabye she would have been able to cope with riding the bench if she didn’t know you were so upset about it?

Secondly, I do agree, coaches have to be careful on how they doll out minutes and playing time. Kids these days are different, they want to play a certain level or they quit. At least in our area, there is a shortage of female athletes. Many volleyball and basketball teams in the area barely have enough kids to field JV teams, and many of them are very bad. Why? Kids feel entitled to play varsity as freshman and sophomores, and quit if they don’t make those squads, instead concentrating on one sport. The JV squads are often left with the other kids who just want to be part of something, not necessarily the most talented, but loyal. I’ve see first hand kids who never started or played much in junior high, now staring at the JV level. Not because they’ve improved, but because there is no one else.

Finally, and this is my main point, I think there is the perception that there is a long line of teachers or other adults that want to coach. That’s false. Especially with many girls sports. Coaches, generation by generation, are growing weary of parental involvement, and kids who are constantly whining about something. There are many good coaches pushed out of these school programs because they just get tired of dealing with the crap. Be careful what you wish for. My guess is the school and community is very proud of the state championship level volleyball program that’s in place. Do you want a coach who know’s little about volleyball, your team wins about half of it’s games and everyone
gets along?
Good luck again to you and your daughter.

Moms Team has largely been . . .

a place for me to vent.  That's the degree that I DON'T want to show my daughter how much I ache for her.  After another night of playing next to none, I'm the guy that holds her as she weeps and tries to offer constructive suggestions on how she can cope with her seething anger and hurt. Truly, I swear to you, she's NOT jumping around with joy that the team has won another match on it's way to States. She's devastated beyond words because she's had NO part in it . . . she didn't PLAY (or not in any meaningful amount) The other two girls who are treated the same way feel EXACTLY the same way . . . .they've told me so!  I also don't fight her battles for her.  The only words spoken to the coaches have been spoken by my daughter . . . .not me! She just asks what she has to to to get more playing time.  They tell her in non-specific terms because truly, they have no reason based upon playing ability.  But as I said in other posts, once some of these coaches achieve success with a certain line-up and playing scheme, they become FROZEN in fear toward any attempt to change it up . . . .even if they know that that fear will emotionally destroy 2-3 other girls!  And, again, as I've said, when a coach CAN'T delineate the reasons why Susie gets 99.9% of the playing minutes to Julie's 0.01% based upon any skills shown, it REALLY means they two girl's abilities are very, very, very similar, Which in turn, generally means that the coach, if he/she chose to, could up Julie's playing time to 20% - 30% with absolutely NO degradation in ability to win. In high school volleyball the first team to three wins, wins the match.  On the rare occassion that my daughter got to play a game  . . . .do you know what happened?  Her team would win 25-15 when she sat.  They'd win 25-14 when she played and they'd win 25-16 when she sat again!!!!!!  Do you see what I'm saying? There's just wasn't any harm done to the team when my daughter played.  Yet the next match . . .in a few days . . ..she's probably not playing  at all.  How can ANY rational human being explain that?

I think one of the ladies who runs this site quoted me that almost all high school level athletes, when polled, said that they'd like to win, but that the VAST majority stated that they'd prefer to be on a team where team building, commraderie and espirit de corps where emphasized over winning where only the same few players are relied upon over and over again to win.  What does that tell you?  It tells me that no athlete really feels like they're truly part of the team unless they get meaningful playing time.  It's just the way it is. I kinda feel sad for the kid that's over-joyed to sit the bench and watch her teammates play all the time.  If you feel, as I'm semi-picking up, between your written lines, that that's how a bench player should feel . . . .I"m here to tell you that if those days ever existed . . .they're gone now.  No parent is paying $100 -$200 or more for high school sports or $3,000 for club for their kid to be a total practice player. Personally, I admire the kid and the family that walks away from that abuse if differences in playing ability doesn't warrant it. (And, again I'm largely referring to the kid that's basically totally benched) With the stressors on college bound kids and all the other things they have to do to prep a college resume, there's absolutely NO reason for any child to put up with that type of treatment from a coach and they see no real meaningful playing time on the horizon.  I defy anyone to convince me otherwise . . .that smiling and "taking it in the gut" is the way to go!