Swearing and Curse words

A borough councilman who coaches Little League has been suspended for the remainder of the season for cursing in front of his team during practice.

Councilman John Sasso said Thursday that he received the three-game ban for using a curse word in frustration while picking up baseballs during a practice last week. Sasso emphasized that the remark was not directed at anyone, and that he was sorry for saying it.

Was this the appropriate punishment? Have you ever heard a coach swearing around the team?

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I don't swear myself, so I

I don't swear myself, so I may not be the best person to answer this. I don't know how much of the season was left, but I could see a 2 game suspension or something like that. The other concern is who's going to coach the team?

I'm amazed at the use of profanity these days. Not just in sports but in general. I've always coached kids and told them to never start swearing because you get to a point where you can't stop yourself. If those words are not in your vocabulary, then you won't say them. If you say them occasionally, then you can't just turn it on and off, especially when you get emotional.

I don't swear myself, so I

I don't swear myself, so I may not be the best person to answer this. I don't know how much of the season was left, but I could see a 2 game suspension or something like that. The other concern is who's going to coach the team?

I'm amazed at the use of profanity these days. Not just in sports but in general. I've always coached kids and told them to never start swearing because you get to a point where you can't stop yourself. If those words are not in your vocabulary, then you won't say them. If you say them occasionally, then you can't just turn it on and off, especially when you get emotional.

Depends on the age

While I think swearing isn't necessary at any age level, it depends on whether you're talking about a seven year old or a seventeen year old. Cursing in front of a team is different than cursing at a player, opposing coach, or ref in my opinion.

True, when the swear is

True, when the swear is directed at someone, or it is in front of younger players, it becomes more serious.

Set up a meeting with the

Set up a meeting with the Athletic Director and tell him about the coaches language and kicking her off the team for taking the ACT. Totally inappropriate. For some reason we don't hold coaches to the same standard as administrators and teachers. This man should not be coaching in my opinion. If he wants to coach that way, go to the travel team/ private team route.

Video Tape this?

I rarely suggest that someone video tapes an adult when they are swearing but this may be an option. A couple of years back a family spoke to their child's coach on a number of times with no luck. They even spoke to the league president-also with out much luck. The only option left was for them to video tape the coach. They put together a compilation video and sent it to him. They politely asked him to view it and let them know if he would be proud to have it submitted to the towns website. It helped for a while until blew up again and was finally asked by all the parents to take a leave of absence.

The tough part is when coaches tell the kids not to tell their parents. What have other parents done?

 

Brooke de Lench

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videos only work in the short term

We tried this with my 5 year

Horrified!

Dear Mom's Team:

I am one of many parents who is horrified by the use of profanity and degrading, demeaning coaching practices in our local community football league for children between age 8 and 8th grade. In my concern over resolving this issue, I came across your website, but couldn't find anything that addressed this particular issue. I am one of many concerned parents, and I feel that these coaching practices can never happen again. The choices are either to not let my children play, or to do everything in my power to make sure the problem is corrected for the future.

Football season is forever over now for my 8th grade son, but next season (this fall) will be here for my younger two boys before I know it, and I want to know that my children will be in good hands. This past year, in the Pee Wee age group, one parent complained that the team was told, "You SUCK; you are the worst team we have ever coached!" (8&9 yo kids). This mother explained to me that her son came to her one day late in the season and was so happy, because it was the first practice in which he wasn't told he 'sucked'. While I realize that is hearsay, the story coincides with the senior level of the league, in which my 8th grade son played. In my son's age group, 6th to 8th grade, kids who did not please the coaches were made to wear a pink hat dubbed, "The Pussy Hat" during practice. Some boys were made to hold hands on a run, while the other team members jeered. One boy cussed another boy, and was applauded by a coach. The coaches regularly used profanity during practice and of course, yelling was common.

In addition, the same 11 or 12 players were played close to 100% of the time most games, despite a 4 play minimum rule, while approximately 14 players sat on the sidelines most of every game. The players who played would play whether injured or exhausted for 4 quarters, while those who didn't play were also penalized during practice for the game losses of those who actually played. They were confused by this. One boy actually quit the team at one point because he couldn't tolerate the profanity. These demeaning and degrading coaching practices are unacceptable to most parents, but most parents don't know what to do.

One parent spoke to one of the coaches a few weeks before the season ended, and said the profanity was not ok and it had to change. This coach apologized and agreed that things had gotten a little out of control. My feeling is that an adult in a teaching role should be held to a higher standard and that never should they resort to anger and profanity, ever. My father calls this, 'verbal bankruptcy', when there is nothing else from which to draw in a person's repetoire to make a point. This parent wanted to give the coaches a chance to change things and improve, but I feel that it never could have gotten this far without this being a pervasive culture within this part of the league.

When I brought it to the attention of the head of the coaches for all 3 age divisions, it seemed to fall on deaf ears. I told him the word 'pussy' was unacceptable and never should a player's poor playing be feminized in order to make a point. This is degrading to women, and teaching these growing young men to disrespect women, and all the coaching practices used are contributing to divisiveness between genders, divisiveness on the team, and poor morale. When an executive on the board was told of these practices, she laughed and said, "Yah, parents complain every year" and intimated that this was the way things had always been done. As my husband explained, if he used this argument in his role as a physician, the medical community would still be going into surgery with unwashed hands and without the benefit of anesthesia as they did during the Civil War. To say this is how it has always been done is no argument.

In addition, during one particularly grueling practice after which the team had a miserable loss, the entire team was made to run excessively. My son vomited three times and was made to run without a break. I have friends who told me this was normal in football, but I can't help but think this must be a dangerous practice, especially considering the very hot climate we live in here in the Central California foothills. Is this normal? I just feel this is another example of the disregard on the part of these league coaches for the well-being of these boys.

I plan on going to the president of the league regarding the profanity, but I'm afraid it will continue to fall on deaf ears. I am going to the school board of trustees, because they may have a different view since the league uses school property. However, I write to you today because I am in need of feedback on whether this is what is standard in any football league, what my resources are, and whether there is anything out there that will backup my claim as a parent and former athlete that these types of coaching practices are damaging to these children, set back the values I've established as a parent and are unacceptable. My son's soccer league (part of the same community league) has FANTASTIC coaching, so I have a hard time understanding why football feels it is ok to indoctrinate young men into some good ole boy network of life. I appreciate any thoughts you can provide. If this is the mentality in the world of football, it needs to change NOW. Interestingly, this team was not only in last place, but never won a single game the entire season. I think any coach has the most amazing opportunity not only to teach children a sport, but to help influence them to grow up into the fantastic human beings they were meant to be.

I thank each of you for taking the time to read this and if you have time to respond or point me to resources that may help, I thank you in advance.

Change will come when the money goes somewhere else

Hi there,
I appreciate the predicament parents face when trying to overcome the obstacle of a bad coach. It sounds like you took every reasonable step to escalate the problem to no avail. I talk with league directors and coaches a lot while marketing my book as a training tool for coaches and parents. I find that the "bottom line" mentality coupled with the notion that people who love the sport can teach it, prevent leagues from investing in the type of training volunteer coaches need to be able to teach a sport at the level appropriate for the ages they are coaching. You asked for advice on what you can do. From my perspective you have two choices:

1) Vote with your dollars and enroll your kids in a different football program that you have thoroughly checked out in another town or hold a touch/flag football game in your backyard or at a local park. Make it fun and you will have kids coming out of the woodworks to play. Yes, it is inconvenient and no, you shouldn't have to do it but doing nothing and hoping for a better situation for your other kids is not a risk worth taking. I'm sure you are not the only parent that wants change. Take your money somewhere else and make sure the league director knows why another league is getting your money. When leagues start losing revenue because of bad coaching they will start making changes.

2) File a complaint with the Better Business Bureau or with the Mayor's office. Bring an entity in that can cause heart burn for the league directors if they don't change their approach. This may seem extreme but sometimes it takes extreme measures to make our society safe for all.

Keep up the good fight! Your kids are going to be great athletes because you are teaching them to take charge of a problem by being willing to change your game plan and not give up when the going gets tough.

Debbie Lantz
Author-"I Just Want To Play"

www.HigherRoadLeaders.com
debbie@HigherRoadLeaders.com

Not sure what the

Not sure what the "appropriate" discipline should have been, but it's kind of nice to see that there actually was one. I, personally, don't feel swearing should be part of every day coaching. Have I ever used an explicative during coaching hours? Yes, I admit I have on occasion, but I also be my absolute best not. I have played for coaches who swore at players and also played for coaches who did not allow swearing on the field at all (by coaches or parents). I thought it was pretty cool when I played for the coaches that allowed no swearing at all and I often use that experience as a standard to compare to when I see other coaches and when I coach as well.

Let me tell you, it's pretty tough sometimes to hold back that word, but it's most certainly possible and I never agree with swearing AT a player.

Stacie Mahoe
Mother of 5, softball coach
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