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Many parents write to us complaining about favoritism. If a coach is favoring his/her own child and it is a problem , what is the best way to handle it?
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Coaches favoring their own child

First, it is important that parents understand before they become coaches the importance of not favoring their own child because of the resentment it causes in both other players and their parents.

I agree, speak with the

I agree, speak with the coach at a later time, not after a game or e-mail. However, on the average, and I'm generalizing, but in MOST cases, the coach's kid is usually one of the better players, thus they handle the ball more, pitch, etc. I've coached boys and girls teams for years (my kid's play) and I rarely see a coach's kid who isn't one of their teams better players. Why? The coach is usually the coach becasue they are interested in sports as a family and practice at home. It's part of their lives.
I get frustrated with parents who push for this equal playing time rule, yet they put little if any extra time into the sport. Do we give everyone an A on a spelling test because they just show up for the test, prepared or not? Of course not.
There is actually some value in making kids learn how to prepare to be successful. The ones who buy in and work hard should play more than the kid who just shows up twice a week for their two hours and never picks up a ball otherwise.

I agree, speak with the coach.....

John Dee,
Yours is on of the most proposterous comments I've read in a very long time on the subject of "playing the coaches kids". From your comments, I must assume that you consider yourself to be an expert on this subject since your quote contains statements such as "on the average, in MOST cases, etc.

I have watched youth football for many years and constantly noticed the trend of coaches sons playing all of the key positions. And each year, I watched as new players signed up, with joy and excitement all over their faces only to have them end up begging at a chance to play and often getting yelled at by the coach for even asking. So instead of the joy and excitement that they started with, that look very quickly turned to sadness and ultimately most just quit.

Last year, I joined the Pop Warner Board in an attempt to correct this injustice because it was obvious that if this trend continued, Pop Warner would cease to exist in this small town. Strict rules were layed out and all coaches had to agree to abide by them. Even though I did not have a son old enough to play, I decided to have a go at assistant coach and I will never do it again! The practice of coaches playing their own sons not only as QB, but also as RB, MLB, RCVR etc. was so pervasive that 6 different coaches also practiced the same type of favoritism. I spent most of my time trying to console the new boys who weren't given a chance to play. In fact, the Head Coaches made it a blatant habit of deliberately letting these boys know that they are "minimal play players".

So, back to your ridiculous statement..."in MOST cases, the coach's kid is usually one of the better players, thus they handle the ball more, pitch, etc." Duhhh, has it ever occured to you, John Dee, that these kids are usually the better players because they get "all of the playing time". How do you know that you don't have a potential "superstar" sitting on your bench??? The answer, "You don't!!" Your too busy trying to satisfy your own superego, and unfortunately, doing so at the expense of young children who came to you filled with excitement and hope.

John Dee, I call you a "Dream Stealer". And on a final note, I should add that ultimately, just one year later, Pop Warner ceased to exist in this town(not enough kids would sign up). So keep YOUR ego up there in the clouds John Dee, while you continue to destroy the egos and self-esteem of young children. Your a heck of guy.

End of a dream

I agree with you Lee. Kids sports will go the way of the dinos if folks like Dee continue to have their heads in the clouds. Who is fooloing who? The game within the game here is for the dads to see which one of them is still standing on the sideleines watching JR in HS.

In all fairness,,

I have seen many women coaches who also favor their child. It is not a male/female or mom/dad issue. It seems to be shared by both parties. I would love to hear more about the coaches whom have made a real effort to implement a fair play -equal play policy. Any thoughts?

 

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Speak with the coach?

What if your kid is one of the better players? Possibly even better than the coaches kid, and the coach doesn't want to play him that much, because it "shows up" his own kid. What if your kid is trying, is relatively quiet, and is encouraging the other kids? I agree with you that it may seem that the coaches kids are "better", sometimes they are, sometimes they are not. It may be true that they have more available time with the father to practice ( this should make the kid grateful, not full of him/herself) I also agree that not everyone that has a "pulse" should be "on the team". It does depend on what level you are playing at. At the little league level, it is important that all the kids play, those are the rules. It does not mean that you tolerate laziness, but really, you need to keep perspective! That is the key ingredient, missing today from, coaches, parents, and players. Work hard, take the time, only expect out of it what is put into it. We had a coach once who hardly practiced, then yelled at the kids every game for losing (um hello)! It is still a game.... a game.... a game. Having been there-done that, I can honestly say in two years time no one will remember what was won, or lost. What is important is what lessons do you take away from the experience? Another thing; yes there will always be better players, especially as you climb the ladder in the sporting world, usually it is the kids who work hard, but occasionally it is just the kid that is just plain old talented. Kids have to learn, that no matter how "good" you are now, there will always be bigger fish in the sea, and I think coaches that put their own kid at the "top" for everything, even if their kid is the "best", are doing that kid a great disservice, for at some point the kid is going to see that he/she isn't the best. I see this all the time. I saw it as a child athlete, and on up. in HS and college.then as a coach, and now as a parent. Stop putting these kids on pedastels they are almost certain to fall from, and teach them the value of hard work, and a humble attitude towards those less "talented" or maybe less fortunate....character counts folks!

I took a different tact

This is one of the reasons I, pretty much, stayed away from coaching my own kids on competitive teams. No matter how "fair" you are as a coach there will almost always be someone else that will view your decision making as unfair to their child. Even with the best intentions this situation tends to backfire a lot. Even though I also believe that playing time, and player position (for the most part), should be pretty equally distributed at the younger ages (for developing a love of the game, and decreasing the chances of pigeon holing young athletes), I used any discrepancy or "unfairness" as a perfect opportunity for a life lesson to be taught. Whether in sports, school, the workplace, or just about anywhere, life is simply not always going to be fair. If, and when, my daughters came home with complaints of the coach not being fair (whether it be position, playing time, or not making the level team they wanted), the referee not being fair, the opposing team not playing fair, etc. etc. I almost always would ask them what "they" felt they could or should do about changing the situation. As long as their answer demonstrated good character and showed a willingness to better themselves then nothing more would need to be said, if not, then my encouragement would center on the thought process just described. What this did was to place the responsibility and ownership directly where it should be, with the athlete. Doing otherwise takes away the athletes own control for change. Unless a situation came up that was physically and/or emotionally damaging to my child, I pretty much let them work it out. My encouragement, again, came only from the standpoint of coming from inside them to make change happen. Whenever I had discussions with a coach of a team my kids played on it was always in reference to whether my kid is giving their best effort, what more they would like to see from them, what they felt the goals should be for the team or my daughter

The flip side

What about the opposite situation where a coach is too hard on their own child? My husband coaches my son and there are many times where he goes to the opposite end of the spectrum and yells at him more or plays him less where he wouldn't with somebody else's child. He is very aware of this and we always talk about it after the fact. However, he did admit this weekend that when our boy makes a good play, he gets just a little more excited than he would with another player. The big picture is that it is very difficult to coach youth sports period, let alone while integrating home life into it as well. We chose to be involved to avoid having a "bad coach" situation and therefore we will deal with the down sides. My son undestands this and puts up wtih the extra "coaching" for the greater good.

Jackson, Thank you for

Jackson,

Thank you for your letter. You and I could talk for

Jillian, I disagree. I'm

Jillian, I disagree. I'm not going to say that favoritism does not happen because I'm sure it does. But I feel it's isolated. Youth sports are easy because all you do is sign up, practice a few times a week and play games. In middle and high school sports, it's more day to day and the commitment is much higher. The "natural" who doesn't want to work at it drop off.
And yes, unfortunately, in today's travel sports world, kids from families with money and a stable home life have an advantage. I've never favored equal playing time, it gives no incentive for kids to work hard.

You will do all of us good

The tough thing for you (and me) is that once you stick your neckk out and stand up for what is right your kids may feel the heat,,,unless,, you start off by saying something good and then,, saying I fear there will be reprecusions if I speak up--and then ask how can I make certain this coach will not go on to harm the kids? Worked one year for us. Good luck man.

This is a difficult

This is a difficult situation and I can see both ways. I'm not sure there is a right answer. If you split teams evenly, both teams are ok, but neither are really successful and you can't develop fully. You stack one team and you have one really good team and one really bad team. Sometimes when you have a really bad team put together, a couple of those kids really step up and play well because they have to. Whereas if they were on an ok team, they may not get that chance to shine. Conversely even the stacked team will have a couple of kids who may not improve as much as they can because they don't get a chance to play a certain position or handle the ball,etc.

I agree with the reply by

I agree with the reply by John, but what we may need to look at is what point do we start seperating kids into competetive and developmental teams. We are having this discussion at our program, with one group wanting to seperate out into a competetive team with other team getting the inexperienced players. I know we want to see kids develop into better athletes, but this is happening with basketball at the 4th and 5th grade level. As a former youth coach who watched the preseason workouts along with several other coaches, out of 20 girls for the 5th grade level, 3 or 4 somewhat stood out more than others, but not that significantly. The middle 12-14 were fairly similar, with the last couple needing more work than the others. The problem we are running into is a small group of parents want to select the few, primarily friends, and move on. Most of the remaining parents including 3 coaches want to develop the fundamentals for everyone at this age, and then move on to the seperation. Our question is at what age/grade level. We have varied opinions, but most agree that at the 4th/5th grade level may be too soon for most kids.

Where is the Thanks?

I have coached girls sports for the last 15 yrs. in our area and i have found that the words, thanks coach is getting spoken less and less by the parents especially. I like reading the articles at your site, but did'nt see anything from coaches about the above subject and i am curious if you have received any mail from other coaches or have felt that way yourself. I am not looking for the pat on the back and you know the job is and can be a thankless one. Thanks for listening.

Thank You

I am amazed at all of the coaching groups out here like Positive Coaching, etc. They seem to be a huge business and do run many coaches through the program but then the coach is gone. I would love to see more physical ed majors get paid to coach our kids instead of the parent looking out for his own. I always start the season wanting to be thankful but too often I am very mad at the end of it.

You Get What You Pay For

Tandy, I think you are right on track with what really needs to start happening in youth sports. It won't solve all the problems but I wonder what kind of changes would take place if leagues started hiring professionals to do the coaching, like you suggested. There are a lot of great volunteer coaches out there like Elizabeth and we should be grateful they want to spend time with our kids. There are also a lot of not so great volunteer coaches. I have a BS in Physical Education which was required in order for me to coach in the public schools. I couldn't just show up on the playground one day and tell the principal I really love to teach sports to kids so you should let me. No child, regardless of age can be taught sports by a person with a weekend workshop under their belt or by a volunteer in our public schools no matter how good their intentions are. As parents, we need to be willing to pay for that expertise. This means higher league fees which most league directors I talk with say they fear doing. So, the dilemna continues. Great discussion! Debbie Lantz Author-"I Just Want To Play"

Some Leagues Are Different

I had the same issues with favoritism in the past. I recently put my son in an i9 Sports coed soccer league in Tampa. I think they have them all over the country. Their coaches seem to be better trained at giving all the kids equal playing time. The games are about an hour and everyone plays every game at least 30 minutes. My son also gets to play different positions in this league. The last league he played in he never got to play goalie because he wasn't as strong of a player as the other kids. Now it's his favorite position and has really helped his confidence. I had to sign a parental pledge that says I'm committed to my son having fun and that I won't yell at the coach. I thought it was a joke at first but the parents on this team are pretty positive. It's been a great experience. I'm putting my daughter in this fall.

I understand some of your

I understand some of your frustrations with youth sports. But let's take a different spin on this for once. When Johnny or Suzie are out there competing for jobs, they may or may not get a job. It may go to someone who they are better qualfied than, but it is what it is.

They may get a job at a place where they have to work a little harder than the person next to them. Or they may be better at sales than math and get a job in sales rather than accounting.

My point is that LIFE ISN'T FAIR! We're creating a generation of one size fits all, everyone gets equal playing time, and these kids don't know how to compete for anything. They whine to the administration that they are being treated unfairly.
What's wrong with putting a kid in goalie whose good at it, rather than putting a kid whose scared of the ball in goal?
I laugh when there are actual classes and training where coaches have to be certified to coach kids in a sport that they already know.
Quit worrying about where your kid plays and just tell them to do the best job they can. The coaches who compete to win will recognize that and put them in positions to help the team win. While many of you constantly talk about equal playing time and kids playing other positions, I've never seen a kid, high school on down, who was happy after their team lost a game. I have,however, seen kids who don't play much or contribute much, estatic after their TEAM won. People like to be successful, it's how we are wired.

I understand some of your

I understand some of your frustrations with youth sports. But let's take a different spin on this for once. When Johnny or Suzie are out there competing for jobs, they may or may not get a job. It may go to someone who they are better qualfied than, but it is what it is.

They may get a job at a place where they have to work a little harder than the person next to them. Or they may be better at sales than math and get a job in sales rather than accounting.

My point is that LIFE ISN'T FAIR! We're creating a generation of one size fits all, everyone gets equal playing time, and these kids don't know how to compete for anything. They whine to the administration that they are being treated unfairly.
What's wrong with putting a kid in goalie whose good at it, rather than putting a kid whose scared of the ball in goal?
I laugh when there are actual classes and training where coaches have to be certified to coach kids in a sport that they already know.
Quit worrying about where your kid plays and just tell them to do the best job they can. The coaches who compete to win will recognize that and put them in positions to help the team win. While many of you constantly talk about equal playing time and kids playing other positions, I've never seen a kid, high school on down, who was happy after their team lost a game. I have,however, seen kids who don't play much or contribute much, estatic after their TEAM won. People like to be successful, it's how we are wired.

Adults and Children

John, while it is true that it is important for kids to learn the value of overcoming obsticles with hard work and how to grow through failure, I think the reason we see so many kids dropping out of sports is that we treat them like adults and not kids. I also believe the goal in childhood should be to prepare children for adulthood by giving them a chance to develop coping skills and the self-confidence needed to succeed in the adult world in a safe and nurturing environment.

I would love to see all the kids who want to play be kept in the talent pool all the way up and let's see the slow bloomers shine at the varsity level. If we knock them out early becuase they have not matured yet diminishes the program in the long run. As I travel the US I am amazed at the athletic abilities the non-team athletes have compared to team athletes. Kids who develop later and have not had the opportunity to play on sports in school are among our nations best athletes--and many will tell you they knew they had potential talent but just were not able to show it.

Any one else have some ideas?

Brooke de Lench

Publisher

MomsTeam.com

Author

Home Team Advantage (Harper Collins) 

Schools and Money woes

John, good dialogs bring in many voices so I hope we get a national debate going here.

I have been a middle and HS coach for over 27 years now and have seen our school district grow from the time I graduated in 73 until today--over 400%. !! The entire school district (sports district) has over 30 schools-including all sports from golf, ultimate, volleyball, and the big four of basketball, baseball, football and soccer. While the sports programs have grown to include more girls the same programs by and far have stayed the same.One varsity, one junior varsity on frehman team. So take my sport of choice--basketball. In 1978 at the same school I coach at there were three teams for boys basketball. Same in 1948, 1958, 1968, 1978, 1988, 1998 and yes this year 2008. We hand out roster spots to 18 freshman boys, 16, junior varsity and 12 varsity players. Now get this, back in '48 (my old man's class) there were only 92 kids in the high school. Now, in the same HS we have 2024 students!!! Anyone doing the math has quickly understood that we are only offering a tiny fraction of the school population a place to play. In earlier years any kid who wanted to could play--and actually my dad says that the coaches just about broke your arm if you did not play.

So, here is the real conundrum as most of us see it. We now have far far fewer of our nations kids participating in sports and a greater number soaking money from our nation to pay for time not on the BB courts but in the legal court system. When you point fingers and whine about no money you may want to add up the billions of dollars we are spending on kids in jail and the crime that kids on the streets cost us as a society. Isn't this a question of priorities?

We are paying billions of dollars for a foolish war and billions on kids in reform schools, state pens, etc. yet no money for sports programs??? if you want to see better sports programs (I have actually watched the quality of the athletes decline every year) and better athletes you need to keep a bigger pool in the game. Do every thing in your power to fund the programs and build them in proportion to the school population. If we keep on this pace of being exclusionary we will end up with no school programs. Parents will begin (they are starting) to say--I am not funding any programs that are excluding my kid. Then where will we be?

Levi, not sure where to

Levi, not sure where to begin. It appears that your school is trying to keep up with the times. I'm sure they have more sports than in 1973. I don't know where you got the thought that LESS kids are participating. All stats I've seen is that participation in athletic programs are at an all time high.
Schools are struggling money-wise, that's a given. The rant involving spending money on kids in jails and war is a political and not sure where you are going with that.

This pie-in-the-sky idea that we should have a YMCA like program at each school so every kid can play basketball regardless of ability is never going to work. Like the idea, but let's get real.

Finally, the thought that the quality of athlete is declining every year???? I wholeheartedly disagree with that thought. All through time, kids have been bigger, stronger and faster as each generation goes by. 50 years ago, athletes were better than 100 years ago. Today's generation is better than my generation ('84) and the next generation will be better than today's.

From a coach

I have coached youth baseball for several years. I also coach youth basketball on and off. There is a happy medium that I don't believe has yet been addressed on this forum, so I shall explore it here.

In all of the leagues that I have coached -- baseball or basketball -- we played a "regular season" of games that were considered developmental. No won-loss records were recorded (although all of the kids knew them!) during the regular season. At the end of the regular season, we did hold tournaments which "counted." The developmental season lasted about 70% of the full season. During that portion of the season, successful managers typically rotated their players and developed players at new positions. Those who failed to do so never had enough bench strength or depth at important positions when we got to our tournaments.

During our developmental season, I always played my own child at skill positions for 3 innings of each game and for 2 innings in the outfield. He sat on the bench for one inning, as did every other player. I tried to follow that model with every player unless I had a player who was at risk of injury if I put him or her in the infield. When we got to our tournament, I played each player where he or she was strongest in comparison to all other players on the squad. The top 8 players each played for every inning and the bottom 4 played half a game each. If I was fortunate enough to feel that I did not have 4 players who were materially less developed than the top 8, I would bench all players equally. Bottom line: All of my players (and the players of many other managers in our leagues) new that they were playing for playing time and that if they performed well in the developmental season, they would get more desireable assignments during the tournament.

favoritism

I wish more coaches were like David. I have 3 kids and all involved in sports. I have 2 that are 12 and 1 that is 10. We have had to go outside our home town in order to give our kids a fair chance at playing sports in our community. Two of my kids are talented and the third has some physical restrictions. I have had the pleasure of having some good coaches in our home town where my kids were treated very fairly. Also they have had the experience of having coaches who only wanted to see their own kids succeed. It is because of the later coaches that we have left our community and went elsewhere and have been treated very well.

David I am glad you have gone into all your seasons with a solid plan that includes all the kids and how they get playing time in regards to how they perform. I have seen in our community how certain players get all the playing time regardless of how they play just because who they are. I have seen what this did to my daughter who was very talented until she played softball for these certain coaches. I am having a hard time convincing her now that she has talent and is able to play the game. I think what upsets me the most was she use to have a real love for the game and enjoyed playing it but after two years of those coaches catering to their daughters she no longer wants anything to do with it.

I am very happy that we have found a really good AAU basketball coach for her for the second year in a row. I have yet to say he favors any of the kids. It took me ½ way through the season last year to figure out who his daughter was. That is what a good coach should do. Unfortunately, politics are too involved in my community and have made it bad for the kids.

Footnote – our U14 travel softball team looks like it will not happen in the spring of 2009 most of the players from last year do no want to play for the coaches, including my daughter.

coaches and favoritism

I was a child athlete (gymnastics) high school athlete,college athlete, ran a gymnastics club, have a BA in Sports management, have coached almost all levels of gymnastics. Now we have our six kids in track and field (HS), baseball, little league, Babe Ruth, legion, and Rec soccer. I have seen a tremendous amount of favoritism, both from coaching parents of kids that play, and even from high school coaches. Some of that favoritism has been directed at my kids, and also against my kids. For the most part I find that the coaches are trying to do a good job. Where most of the trouble seems to lie is in little league, and and junior leagues. It is true that these people are volunteers and they simply do not have to "be nice" if they do not feel like it. I am not taking away from the good ones, because there have been some. I do not find the problem in soccer as much. Less sitting around time maybe? Usually the coaches either favor their kid or yell at their kid, either extreme is wrong, but as I tell my kids politics are everywhere, and you have to learn to just deal with it. It is sad though for the kids, especially if they are doing a good job, trying their hardest, and even if they are also talented physically to watch a "spoiled brat coaches kid" get a reward simply for being the coaches kid, it is "unfair" but more than that it teaches the kids that it does not matter how good you are, how much of a good attitude you have, or how much you try. Rewards should be given on merit, and attitude, not on favoritism. I have watched an entire team of little league boys being discouraged by that, and then being told that they (expletive)....I mean seriously why would the kids want to play after being told that? As a matter of fact. on this one particular team, one of the coaches kids would come into the dug-out, and use the (expletive) at the other kids "we @%#$%" this very kid got the "sportsmanship" award at the youth "banquet"...I mean what does that say to the rest of the kids. Of course if you speak up as a parent, you and your kid get branded......oh well that is the way of the sporting world...should not be, yet often is. Mirrors real life!

I think the cases of

I think the cases of favortism to the coache's kids are isolated and get alot of play (squeeky wheel). In general (and I've coached my kids in several sports) and here is what I've observed.

Coache's kids are:

1. Usually one of the better players on the team. Parents are more interested in sports, tend to play with the kid more at a young age.
2. Usually gets criticized more than the other players. Expectations are usually higher and more is expected. I know I got after my kids more than anyone else on the team.

Without a doubt

The only people who will spend an entire forum insisting that coaches do not favor their kids is more than likley a COACH who always thinks their kid is the best player and that no one else on the team cared about playing with their own kids. Let's all face it -coaches coach mostly to keep pushing their kids to the top of the mountain.

Ed, absolutley not. It's

Ed, absolutley not. It's been my experience that most parents don't want to coach. But they are first to complain their kids isn't getting a fair shake.
It's really sad, but many leagues have to practically beg parents to coach because of all the hassles associated with it.
Again, as I've said before, MOST of the time (not all) the coach's kid is usually one of the better players. This kids parent is one who takes an interest in the kids activities and goes out in the yard to play with the kid.

The Usual

My husband has been a youth football, baseball, basketball and soccer coach for many years. Sometimes he is the head coach. Sometimes he acts as assistant. My husband does not coach to give my kids more playing time and he certainly doesn't do it for the pay (there isn't any!). When he is the head coach, you can bet that he will put about 40 hours worth of work A WEEK to formulate practice plans, game strategy, learning conditioning and agility training, meeting with coaches, meeting with parents, talking to the kids, arriving early (and staying late) for practices and games, having individual practices for a kid who wants to improve a skill, etc. I could go on and on. He doesn't do any of this to "push my kids to the top of the mountain", as "Ed" suggests. He does it because he LOVES the sport, he LOVES being involved in the community, and he absolutely LOVES the kids who play on his team, regardless of their ability. You obviously are unaware that the coach sacrifices a great deal of his personal life to coach YOUR kid. You are also obviously unaware that the coach's FAMILY sacrifices a great deal of their personal lives so that their Dad can coach YOUR kid.

For those who may feel their child is being slighted because of a coach placing their own child in positions which you feel your child should have a chance to play: here is my suggestion to you:

Do not speak to the coach before OR DURING practice or games. Tell him/her after practice or games, that you would like to speak to him/her about a problem and ask what is a good time to call. When you do call, be direct as to WHY you are calling. Tell him/her that you feel your son/daughter should be given the chance to play whatever position and ask what you can do to improve the chances of that happening. If your son/daughter has a good coach, that coach will tell you that your son/daughter needs to work on this skill or that skill to improve their chance. And then... MAKE SURE IT IS DONE! Don't expect the coach to teach your child this skill during a regular routine team practice. If you do not know how to teach the skill, try to learn or ask the coach how to teach it. If that is not possible, then ask around. Find someone who can.

And above all things, thank the coach for his/her help!

It's really a challenge to

It's really a challenge to be in a situation where you need to confront your child's coach for playing time, the worst is that you really think that he is favoring this own child. I personally experienced this situation, what I did is I approached the coach in a nice manner. Every practice I make sure that I go with my kid and when there's a time to chat with the coach I really grab it. I used casual conversation with the coach so that he'll realize that every player should have an equal opportunity, the plan really worked out for me. If you're in this similar situation, it will also be a perfect time to improve your child's skills, this will definitely give the coach confidence to field your child more on the court. Andy

Favoritism

My son is in his first year of Babe Ruth Baseball and I really thought it would be different. We have put up with the favoritism for 4 year in minors and majors of LL and when it started again in BR, I blew my top and went to the BR commission. We had tried talking to the coach to no avail. My son is an excellent player and our solution in the past was to hire a private coach and send him to baseball camp. He is serious about the sport and I think his natural talent is a threat to the coaches' sons, who are also the same age. I am a teacher and I am wondering how those parents would feel if I had treated their kids the same way they have treated mine. What if I had decided not to teach their students because I thought they were a threat to mine?

My husband I are taking over the BR league now as 5 board members are stepping down and so one of the first things on the agenda is to get rid of the current coaches who play favorites. We live in a small town and everyone knows who those coaches are, so they won't be missed, but  the problem is I am afraid that we will end up short on coaches. Any ideas on how to recruit new coaches? And how do I keep this from happening again, short of watching every game and every practice?

Any ideas anyone? 

Politics

Hello Karen,

First congratulations for taking on a really tough but rewarding job. I know from speaking with groups all around the USA-large national orgs and small town clubs--that if you treat all kids fairly and adhere to a few tried and true standards you will not have a problem.

The MomsTeam site is packed with great articles on how to have a succesful club or youth sports team. Here is a link with some gems (I suggest you click on all "topic center" tabs and just start reading the ones that are relevant>> http://momsteam.com/successful-parenting/politics .

Another favorite: http://momsteam.com/successful-parenting/selecting-all-star-teams-a-better-fairer-way 

Brooke de Lench

Publisher /Editor In Chief

MomsTeam.com

Author:

Home Team Advantage: The Critical Role of Mothers in Youth Sports

Thank you!

Awesome Article on All Star team selection. Sounds like exactly what our league needs!

Karen - why some parents become coaches

Karen - sad but true fact you're facing with your child.  Many of us feel very, very bad finding fault with some of these coaches because, after all, these folks are giving of themselves to work with children . . . .OUR children.

However, when you see blatant discrimination against one child to the benefit of another, you do have to dig deeper and if there's a coach- coach's child thing going on . . . the ulterior motive is not hard to find.

It's put VERY eloquently by Professor Doug Abrams of the University of Missouri Law Department who himself is a youth coach but has studied the troubling aspects of youth sport - in particular the high drop out rate of young teens who just can't take having their hearts broken any further at the hands of adult coaches who are involved because they "love working with kids!" wink, wink   I belong to his listserv where he sends out articles to people who want to stop youth/high school/club abuses heaped out on some kids.  He writes:

Regardless of their lofty rhetoric, however, most private youth sports programs reject "equal opportunity" because the adults in control want no part of it. Programs conducted by parks and recreation departments or other public agencies can mandate equal opportunity, but most private programs are conducted by "short termers," parents and coaches who know they will be involved for only a few years while their own children are involved. With brief tenure assured at the outset, many adults in control cannot resist temptation to take what they can for their own children and their teams, even when they know their selfishness means depriving other youngsters. Many private programs defeat equal opportunity by making unnecessary cuts or maintaining a "starters" group who get ALL the play time while other children, needed on the team to ensure good practices, get none or next to none.

The point is, these adults just aren't willing to run the risk of their child standing on their own talent level against other children on the team.  These types of adults, if blessed with having time on their hands to be able to coach (vs. the rest of us) WILL get involved to INSURE favorable outcomes for their children. These types of coaches aren't fooling anyone, yet we can't get them kicked out for their abuses and we keep bringing our children to them with the hopes that this year will be better. Best wishes!

 

Amazing!!

It's amazing how this topic started in 6/08 and still going.

 I am a parent of a youth football player and it's very sad to say that, yes we have experienced the same situation of him not receiving playing time. 

As this is my son's first year playing youth football, I did not expect him to be a starter.  He is a fast,thin guy who looks more offense but can't catch. Coach put him on defense but he won't hit. He then put him on special teams where he moved his way up to 2nd string.  The unnoticed problem I have experienced is hearing the Coach say in meetings and the like that he will not put in 2nd and 3rd stringers until the score is comfortable enough because at the end of the season, what counts is how many points a team score and how many points they allow other teams to score which determines the playoff schedule.  I was comfortable with this logic for a time because if the 1st string runs the score up, then my son has a chance to play even if it's to run up and down the field for a minute. If 1st string does not then my son probably won't play.  Again, this logic was fine.

 The problem I began having was when I was sitting in the stands watching his starter offensive and defensive child and many others like him whose played in the program with the same Coach since the pee-wee stage, for 3 and 1/2 qtrs and the score get pushed up to an unbeatable amount and still not seeing my son grace the field.  In a addition to that sight, I as a parent have to see the discouragement and anger on my son's face because he realizes he won't be getting into yet another game where the team was clearly ahead with no chance of the other team coming back. 

 

Now since I have paid $270.00 worth of registration fees for my son to be on the team, be apart of the team and get some playing experience before moving on to HS, a place where parents have no involvement whatso ever and he will have to stand on his own and the competition being very steep and he will have to work harder to earn his place, it is very frustrating and disappointing.  In addition to that, we made sure he was at every scheduled practice, including the saturday's one for the kids who they felt needed it to get them up to speed with the rest of the kids.  I have volunteered (like the coaches and board members) during games by doing consessions and my husband volunteered to do sideline work only for my son to not get any playing time.

 Now when I spoke up about it and I admit it was in a way that could have been dealt with differently, the board members spoke with us and expressed their displeasure, which was fine, but at the same time they came to an decision that they would make sure all children have playing time if a team is up by 3 TD's.  3 days later we are being told that they want to dismiss him from the team because of my actions.  Why do you dismiss a child who just wants to play because the parent spoke up?

 Can anyone explain this to me?

Money making business - designed for a few- but needing many

Sunomee - I'm very sorry for your pain.  Parent's of young children who want to participate in organized sports, and improve by playing at challenging levels often face what you're facing and that's the reason for the high drop out rate - these kids and their families just can't take the heart-break anymore.  The saddest thing is the heart-break and drop-outs need not happen - if only our kids could get a litle playing time!  And, for what our kids give to their sport, and the money we pay, it's really not too much to ask.

One quick rule to learn when traversing in the land of the "coaching gods"  . . your child must first go to the coach to discuss playing time issue BEFORE you do.  It's just a rule they enforce and remember - they're IN CHARGE of the situation . . .not you . . .even though you write the checks that pay THEIR salaries in this part-time job they have.  In many ways, they are YOUR employee, but they certainly don't act that way, do they?  Here's why . . . people involved in youth sports (especially FOR PAY youth sports . . .like club . . . .NOT church/YMCA/municipal leagues) know - as sure as they know the sun rises in the east - that parent's desparately cling to the basic emotion of hope when it comes to their children.  As parent's we believe that our kids can play at a high level in a sport IF nutured by a caring coach, who believes in basic human dignity BEFORE winning. So we keep bringing our kids to these organizations with the hope that they'll be treated fairly by an adult who is aware of the importance of self-esteem in a young person and how quickly it can be destroyed through unfair benching.  Even after a bad experience, like we've had with volleyball, parent's keep thinking "this next season will be different . . .there's a different coach . . . or we're with a different club now".  These adults in charge of these sports organizations KNOW you feel this way, so even as one child and his/her parents are protesting the abuse - reaching their wit's end - and wanting the pain inflicted on their child to stop - they'll dismiss you, knowing that there's ANOTHER child, ANOTHER family, waiting in the wings, full of hope, check-book in hand . . . ready to come in and take that family's place. It's a win-win for the sports club. 

The ONLY way to stop them, since they all NEED more players than they can put on the field/court  . . . .for good practices, for injury/sickness, in case a family moves away BUT MOSTLY to lower the average cost for the starters/"never-come -out-of-the-game" ers.  These are the families these coaches and teams REALLY care about.  The coach feels he/she has the greatest chance to WIN with these kids  and winning brings PERSONAL glory to the adult, brings job security to the adult, and the fact that that is done while trampling on the emotional well-being OF A CHILD . . .well, while I don't know how these adults can sleep at night . . .evidently they've figured out a way to push these thoughts/feelings aside and keep doing this, season after season.

I've started a blog dedicated to letting families know about what's going on in youth sports so they can be informed BEFORE the put their money, but, most importantly, their child's well-being, on the line with club teams.  I pray, once we let these organizations know that they just CAN'T abuse some children for the benefit of a few other children, that the praactice may stop.  

truthinyouthclubsports.webs.com 

They NEED our money.  We DON'T have to give it to them unless they agree to treat ALL children with simple human dignity.

So True!

I agree 100%.

 The reason I spoke up is because I know that my child would not.  He is taught to not question adults no matter the situation.  He's only 13-not a boy but not yet a man.  He is the type of kid that will just withdraw into himself and go into a depression.  This was the one thing he enjoyed doing.  He received many compliments about his improvements since first starting and that made him feel good.  It took many therapy sessions to get him to this point and I refuse to let some jerk volunteer coach push him back there because of his ego.

 The only thing I can do now is apologize to him and promise him that he will get the experience he needs to help him be more competitive against other boys his age while vying for the same positions.

It's a zero sum game

 The local youth rec. football league in our town has  a minimum playing time rule that each kid must play the whole game on either offense or defense. It's a good rule and it works. Having coached in this league. I have come to realize that to be competitive, you have to,  1.  Know your sport and be knowledgeable.  2. Have your kids playing  in a position that fits their skill. 3. And most importantly, spend the majority of your time working with and coaching up your less talented  or less developed kids.  That's where the skill as a coach comes in to play. It takes patience and some creativity.

I have recently written an article advocating minimum playing time for all sports through high school and challenged the Indiana High School Athletic Association (ISHAA)  as to (who would not benefit from such a rule and why?)  I know I will never get an answer to that question, but if anyone disagrees with me on this one, go ahead, throw yourself out there.

If every team in a league or school sports program has minimum playing time such as this league does, then all teams should be on an equal playing field. Right ?  Few people see it that way. 

Some perspective

Interesting thread and opinions. My sons are both college athletes, one at a Division one program, and the other at a Division 3 program. My oldest son was coached by my husband, my youngest son was not. Simply because of the personality of the kids. We did have situations with my older son where a few parents complained that their kids were not getting enough playing time and that my son was getting too much. He generally played about the same amount as other kids on the team. We also at the same time had some very competitive parents who complained that they wanted to win, and that my son should be left in the game for the whole game, because it would accomplish that goal. People have very different perspectives, and my husband handled all of them with exceptional patience and understanding. He would not waver though from making sure that my son only played half of the game. Years later, I look back on the situation, and realize the following -

  • In youth sports, especially at the grade school level, it made a lot of sense to have fairly equal playing time, it allows kids who may develop later to remain interested in the sport.
  • Typically  parents who complained didn't understand the sport well enough to even realize that different positions play different amounts of time because of the situation on the field.
  • The other kinds of parents who complained were often parents whose kids didn't really share their enthusiasm. They were the kids who never picked up a stick except at practice, and just didn't want to work at the sport.
  • Parents often are not the most objective judge of their child's ability. If you always find yourself believing that your child is the best player, but no one else seems to see it, he's probably not the best player.
  • Coaches by and large are fair, and at older levels will play the best players. They want to win.
  • There are some coaches out there who are biased towards their own kids, after all they are parents too and we're not the best objective judges of our kids abilities. Speak with assistant coaches and other parents and get their honest perspective before accusing a coach of this, it's just as likely that you're the one who is not being objective.
  • If the coaches kid is getting the most playing time, and also being recognized by people other than the coach - league awards, all-star selections etc... then you just might have to face the fact that they are better.

I can remember a specific situation where a parent removed their son from the team because they felt that their son was the best player on the team and wasn't being treated as such. Years later in high school, the mom came to us and admitted that she had been wrong and apologized. Her son had kept playing the sport, but they had hopped from one organization to another, trying in vain to find an organization that would recognize his amazing ability, but they never found one because the truth was that he just wasn't very good. Great kid, not such a great lacrosse player. Once they realized that, the whole family relaxed and enjoyed the sport. My son went on the become an Under Armour All-American and to play on a very competitive Division one team. The two kids became great friends in high school and we all look back and laugh about how things went.

I also have a son who is not that competitive, or that good at the sport. He played less than my older son, and that was absolutely understandable. We were as objective as we possibly could be as parents, and he was more comfortable because we weren't pushing him to reach higher than he could or blaming a coach and trying to claim that he was better than he was. It just wouldn't have been good for my son or the team to go about it in that way.

I'm not saying that there aren't biased coaches out there, but they are not nearly as common as some folks would have you believe.

Excellent post. You've seen

Excellent post. You've seen sports from youth through college and have a full perspective, both from a Coach's (wife) opinion and as a parent.  The thing that is really sad is that many parents are pushing good coaches out of youth sports because they just to understand the game their kids are playing.   

The other thing I'm noticing is that kids are growing up with an expectation that they don't have to work for playing time.  It's all equal from the time they 8 to 14 years old, so when they get to high school and sit the bench, they simply quit.  Numbers in high school sports, especially at the JV and freshman levels are dwindling. 

School coaching

My daughter went into 6 th gr and was one of 2 girls out of 75 that was picked for the cheerleading squad. Well the year went fine and she did well and was even encouraged by her coach to continue with gymnastics for the next year. 7th gr came and tryouts were held again and low and behold she was the only one not to make the squad. Why, because the rec cheerleading coach was now the high school coach and her daughter who was shown the routine in advance now was picked for my daughters spot. Coincidence, not! It probably wouldn't be so bad if it was even close but the coaches daughter is not athletic looking at all and shouldn't have been shown a routine before it was even given to the other girls who all had to learn it that day. It's a joke that people volunteer for coaching rec for the SOLE purpose to promote their own child and then the towns even acknowledge them with awards as if their do-gooders! It should be against school policy to have a parent of a child in the same school district. I actually can't believe it's not. I won't be sending my 4 yr old to any rec activities since it's only money for a town that practices favoritism. I will be looking for ways to change school policy for the good of ALL kids to get a fair chance and unbiased opinion.